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Post by WitchBoy on May 25, 2002 20:34:08 GMT -5
The elements are make up all physical matter, and they are all interconncted, for example u cannot have fire if there is no Earth or Air!
The Guardians of The Watchtowers that is the direction of the elements, are usually called to a circle when cast. Everyone is a specific element, this is ruled by your Starsign.
Earth[/u]
Symbolises: Body and Foundations
Direction: North
Starsigns: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn
Colours: Brown, Olive and Green
Animals: Cow, Bull, Snakes and Spiders
Tools: Pentacle, Salt, Bowl and Stones
Air[/u]
Symbolises: Mind itellect and Imagination
Direction: East
Starsigns: Aquarius, Libra and Gemini
Colours: Blue and White
Animals: Birds, Especially Eagles and Hawks
Tools: Athame, Sword, Incense and Censer
Fire[/u]
Symbolises: Will, Strength and Purpose
Direction: South
Starsigns: Aries, Leo and Sagitarius
Colours: Red, Orange and Yellow
Animals: Lions, Horses, and Lizards
Tools: Candles
Water[/u]
Symbolises: Emotions and Intuition
Direction: West
Starsigns: Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces
Colours: Blue, Bluey-Green
Animals: Sea Serpents, Dolphins, Fish and Seals
Tools: Chalice and the Water Bowl
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Post by Jarkon on May 29, 2002 23:48:58 GMT -5
and what about the so-called 5th element, ether/spirit/void? don't wanna forget that one...
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Post by Terra_Knight on Jun 10, 2002 21:59:31 GMT -5
This graph is actually quite accurate and can be used to demonstrate actual Geomantic, Witchcraft and so on derived from Elemental usage. I once heard of this 'fifth element', but it never proved useful for me to find out about it when I do Geomancy.
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Post by GalleksieBunny on Jun 13, 2002 14:20:10 GMT -5
well like the other 4 elements "spirit" is all around us and a part of us all... however one person feels drawn towards a certain physical element due to either frequent use, starsign, birth parents, etc... but "spirit" is more a part of us all and can be used by everyone as long as they use it properly b/c like other elements if abused it fights back... "spirit" isn't physical unless you consider it to be blood but well I consider that an entirely different "element" unto itself... "spirit" is you and it is not you all at once...(strange I know...) it guides you and helps you with the other elements...like an agate among crystals...helps strengthen the others and has use of it's own... well anywhoz...PLUR  |
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Post by Terra_Knight on Jul 7, 2002 8:52:49 GMT -5
Well, I know spirit is incorperated into Magick, but was never an asset to Geomancy. Spirit isn't necessarilly a component of Earth. Spirit is something the human has, or possibly has, thus not pertaining directly to geo... that's why Geomancy never took up this "fifth element".
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Post by LoTu on Jul 13, 2002 1:12:34 GMT -5
heh!... Spirit is very "usefull" (the best word i can think of) in all Magick... It is the fondation of the building we call life... Spirit is NOT just a part of humans, like ppl believe. It isn't just another word that means soul... And "it" is also apart of all life plant and human alike... I find that spirit is more "important" (yet again a better word can probly be used) to me then all the others...
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Post by jimbo on Jul 13, 2002 20:41:29 GMT -5
What if there's a fire on a space station...
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Post by LoTu on Jul 14, 2002 15:47:38 GMT -5
A way to look att elements is that they are all composed of atoms and what not; Fire is the burning of hydrogen (H), Wather is H2O, Earth is formed of a bunch of stuff (like copper, gold, stuff), Wind is air, therefor, it is formed of Oxygen and all the other junk (im french and i dont know then names in english)... So that can also explain why lightning (wich is the negative charges going down to the grown where there are positive charges) isn't an element... And no, i don't consider spirit an element per say, it is more a being/force/essence... ;D
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Post by Nemesis on Sept 4, 2002 6:11:55 GMT -5
What if there's a fire on a space station... There's still oxygen  |
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Post by Watching on Oct 18, 2002 22:10:28 GMT -5
I've been gone way too long... PushPop, first off, Spirit is not physical, therefore not an element. Next, when speaking spiritually, you cannot, or should not if you practice this sort of thing, be compeled by associating scientific matters with spiritual ones. I leanred that the hard way....
I'm a very scientific person, but to get away and do whatever it is I do when it comes to this, I must seperate myself from the science and let my mind roam.
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Post by Fuzzbuddy on Oct 27, 2002 3:30:31 GMT -5
cool info! I am air and fire according to astrology. its all hot air if you ask me. anyways...elementals...wheat about the 5th element?
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Post by Fuzzbuddy on Oct 27, 2002 3:53:44 GMT -5
smells like teen spirit. I love SPIRIT(s). kinda invisible kinda there in essence. i dunno. you know?
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Post by Alpha on Jan 5, 2003 14:04:49 GMT -5
You know... If only physical things can be elements... fire is ***technically*** not an element. Fire is a REACTION. It is not made of atoms. The combustion is energy that goes from one atom to another, causing the atoms to jump off of each other and connect to make new molecules (Oxygen + Carbon (which all living things are made [on earth] = CO², Carbon Dioxide)(molecular replacement)
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Post by AngelisX on Apr 10, 2003 13:30:26 GMT -5
No matter how microscopic something is, such as an atom, it's still a physical thing. Reguardless of the fact that Water, Air and Fire are not solids, but liquids and gases, they are still comprised of phisical matter. Spirit, on the other hand, has yet to have a molecular structure. Speaking scientifically, spirits are still not even known to exist.
I believe my point still stands, but your point was a good one.
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Post by Nemesis on Apr 14, 2003 9:54:22 GMT -5
That this element 'Element' in magick is derived from the ancient greek way of thinking, that everything was made out of earth, water, wind or/and fire. This is what they called elements. The actual meaning of the word element is, for example if ye take elementary school, the basic of something. Thus, since the ancient way of thinking was that everything was made out of four elementary things, the actual word 'element' isnt the same as we know the 'elements' (those in the periodic table). The meaning is the same, but the thing it presents isnt.
Conclusion: stop moaning about what's an element or not, cuz it perfectly makes sense. ;D
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