jimbo
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Post by jimbo on Jul 1, 2002 19:19:17 GMT -5
Can any believers explain to me how UFOs get past satellites, radar, professional astronomers, and even ameteur astronomers without being detected? I've heard too many people say, "Because they are more advanced than we are." I'm looking for a real reason. ("cloaking devices" is not an acceptable answer for me) It's not the skeptics job to prove that they don't exist, it's the believer's job to prove that they do. Prove away! ;D
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Bennu
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Post by Bennu on Jul 1, 2002 20:06:45 GMT -5
We ourselves now have technology that when used properly can go undetected by radar. Some people even claim that was reverse engineered UFO material. Who knows the truth?
But yes a spacefaring race that could develop technology to travel such vast distances in a feasible timescale would more than likely be able to bypass our simple technology.
I don't think it is necessarily a cloaking device, but advanced tech why not? Hell the stealth planes we have do their thing because of specially angled hulls, and unique paint!!! It may merely be a further offshoot of this development.
If it was cloaking devices then people wouldn't be seeing them all over the place. ;D
Oh by the way UFO's have been reported on radar, satellite images, and by amateur astronomers. Some UFO footage is hoax material, others to this day remain unexplainable.
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Post by Teej on Jul 2, 2002 5:30:01 GMT -5
Well, if they do exist, there is no real way to prove they do or don't. I guess there is stuff we will never understand. I dunno.
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jimbo
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Post by jimbo on Jul 2, 2002 20:51:42 GMT -5
Bennu, I was asking for proof, not possibility. A part of an alien ship or something tangible would be the best thing to prove aliens exist. Of course no one has ever presented such proof, which is why skeptics don't believe in them.
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Post by CatBreath on Jul 3, 2002 22:03:53 GMT -5
if they arent out there there isnt a way to prove they are
but if they are there its possible to find proof
doesnt mean that proof exist though
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jimbo
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Post by jimbo on Jul 3, 2002 22:06:08 GMT -5
If they're visiting Earth, why wouldn't there be proof?
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Post by CatBreath on Jul 3, 2002 22:49:29 GMT -5
why wouldnt there?
perhaps they dont want to leave proof
perhaps there just isnt anything "unusual" in the "proof" to make it proof
perhaps giant energy space monkeys come out outta their nano tech controlled worm holes and clean it up
its a possibilty ;D
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Post by Teej on Jul 4, 2002 1:30:55 GMT -5
I have to admit, I agree on the space monkey part.
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Post by CatBreath on Jul 4, 2002 22:31:55 GMT -5
yes it does sound the most probable...
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Post by Teej on Jul 9, 2002 4:40:19 GMT -5
You should make your own conspiracy theory.
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Post by CatBreath on Jul 9, 2002 17:14:51 GMT -5
u know what?
i think i just might do that!
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 10, 2002 0:34:37 GMT -5
LOL 
1: what ye asked is a contradiction in terminus. You shouldnt ask for facts for what somebody believes..
It's like asking a preacher HOW God made the world.
2: why ask prove for a reason why UFO's can do such things when the existance of alien spacecrafts isnt even proven YET..
3: UFO's ARE detected by professional astronomers, by radar etc. I sugest you read up 
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jimbo
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Post by jimbo on Jul 10, 2002 18:03:49 GMT -5
What's wrong with that? If he feels so strongly that God exists, he should be able to tell me why (or how).
Why do people believe in them then? Shouldn't you have proof other than a "gut feeling" that something actually exists? Why do people belive in UFOs and aliens if they haven't been proven to exist?
I suppose you would have an example to show me.
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 10, 2002 22:25:34 GMT -5
dude you just repeated what i said  You should not ask a believer for proof.
And yes, i got a good example.
Belgium, 1989-1992. Triangular UFO seen by politicians, police, military and hundreds of others. Ackknowledged by SOBEPS, Belgian organisation for researching astronomical events. RADAR-records made by a f-16 airplane chasing the UFO, freely published.
Now what.. 
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Post by jimbo on Jul 11, 2002 20:15:23 GMT -5
Doing a search on the information you gave me...
"The object seen in the sky was identified years later as a Stealth Bomber that was being escorted by a fighter jet."
Happy?
Oh, and I posted this in another topic...You can't prove a negative, which you want me to do. It's totally impossible. That's why in murder cases the defendant doesn't have to prove that he didn't kill the guy...the prosecution has to prove that he did. See where I'm going with this?
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You should not ask a believer for proof.