NIBIRU

[Freya]

This dark companion of the Sun is a sub-brown dwarf capable of maintaining its own planetary system.  It extends the 'habitable zone' of the solar system into the comet clouds, possibly providing us with the key to extra-terrestrial visitation of our own world, both now and in the distant past.  

Would that mean they may, big possibility, have been a form of some sort of life? I may be totally way off but I still try.


What a spectacular thread that has been created here. I know who to turn to if I need to do a project of my choosing, that's for sure..

[WitchBoy]

can..anybody make comments and discuss this please
as it took my a while to write it out...please

[CatBreath]

ok i can now PROUDLY say i read almost the whole thing!
(started a lil before the middle)

and to be honest....
it just doesnt seem.... right
theres no proof there....
i could right a theory of that nature about EVIL cats with ears made of lightning and paws made of water...

it brings no proof...
and...... its just not more convincing that anything else i could make up in....... a few weeks

BUT
does make ya think bout what u really know bout the past.....

nothing more...
sorry...

[WitchBoy]

hey thats ok mate...at least you answered and i thank you for that

[CatBreath]

t'was a very interesting read....
but it just doesnt make more sense than anything else

and coz of that it tells ya alot about what u do know and what u can know...
hhhmmmmm...
makes ya wonder

[Bennu]

But Jay how can we properly discuss this when you didn't put in the whole document? Especially when it goes on to discuss my namesake.

The rest continues :

Perihelion in the Duat

This new theory regarding a brown dwarf star in elliptical orbit around the Sun could have a number of interesting applications in the field of Egyptology. Again, as a science, Egyptology is very conservative and such notions would not be seriously considered by the academics. Even so, Nibiru the brown dwarf could go a long way towards explaining several mysteries that have defied rational explanations.

I propose that the symbol of the Phoenix, or Bennu, is this brown dwarf. Here is a quote from R.T. Rundle Clark:-

"The Egyptians had two ideas about the origins of life. The first was that it emerged in God out of the Primeval Waters; the other was that the essence – Heka – was brought hither from a distant magical source. The latter was the ‘Isle of Fire’, the place of everlasting light beyond the limits of the world, where the gods were born and revived and whence they were sent into the world. The Phoenix came from the far-away world of eternal life… to land, at last, in Heliopolis, the symbolic centre of the earth where it will announce the new age…"

The ‘Isle of Fire ‘ reference is the brown dwarf, around which the home-world of the gods orbits. The Phoenix was said to come from the East, and, rather like the Star of Bethlehem, I think this alludes to Nibiru’s initial appearance in the Eastern skies as it moves through its retrograde orbit through the Solar System. One will recall that the descriptions of Nibiru’s passage made by the observing Babylonian astronomers allow us to place its long axis at 30 degrees off the plane of the ecliptic in the Southern skies. Zecharia Sitchin places this region in the sky around Centaurus or Sagittarius. So as it makes this retrograde passage into the outer Solar System it cuts through the ecliptic at the Place of the Crossing, in the belt between Mars and Jupiter. But its perihelion will occur beyond this, travelling into the northern skies to swing around at the opposite point from its long axis. In past epochs the perihelion occurred in Cancer.

The position of the Earth in its orbit around the Sun would have a bearing on the position of Nibiru as it appears against the background of stars, so none of this can be too exact.

The book of Job contains a passage that described the journey through the heavens of Nibiru:

"Alone He stretches out the heavens and treads upon the farthest Deep.
He arrives at the Great Bear, Orion and Sirius and the constellations of the south…
He smiles his face upon Taurus and Aries; From Taurus to Sagittarius He shall go."

This describes the retrograde orbit of the brown dwarf clearly, and the inclusion of Orion and Sirius ties in well with the Egyptian Duat. The reason why this region of the sky was so sacred to the Egyptians may have been because it marked the celestial passage of the Phoenix, the fiery, winged planet returning. (Incidentally, the ‘wings’ of the brown dwarf may have been the appearance of its moons lit both by itself and the Sun. This linear cluster of planets would appear as a moving pair of wings around the failed star). The Duat also had a practical importance in that it represented the part of the sky that the gods needed to reach in order to rendezvous successfully with their home-world. This is clearly a major departure from the idea that the Duat represents the celestial underworld, but I include a few quotes here from the Pyramid Texts that will illustrate my point:

I [the Osiris-king} ascend to the sky… I sit on this iron throne of mine…

May you [the Osiris-king] remove yourself to the sky upon your iron throne…

You will ascend to the sky…you being seated upon your iron throne…you have traversed the Winding Waterway in the north of the sky as a star… the Duat has grasped your hand at the place where Orion is…

[Bennu]

I suspect that the description of iron thrones alludes to the gods’ means of transport to Heaven, either in the form of a rocket-ship or Vedic-type UFO. Hancock and Bauval have done tremendous work in the field of archeo-astronomy, and pioneered the idea that the ground plan of the Pyramids at Giza mapped out the region of the sky in Orion. Perhaps this symbolic representation of the Heavens on Earth was representative of the journey of the immortal gods’ world through the sky, a region of incredible importance for the ancient Egyptians as they awaited the return of their god’s star into their skies.

Conclusion

In conclusion, my hypothesis is outlined below:

1/ The much sought-after Planet X, or "12th Planet", is in fact a failed star known as a sub-brown dwarf.

2/ It has a variable periodicity, between 3400 and 3800 years, and last appeared during Christ's lifetime It has an elliptical orbit with the long-axis pointing out into the Oort cloud, where the brown dwarf currently resides.

3/ It has moons around it, at least one of them habitable. In fact, a race of god-like extra-terrestrial humanoids could exist there, and may have played a major part in our own evolution.

4/ The location of the brown dwarf lies in the southern hemisphere skies during perihelion, with its orbit inclined at about 30 degrees to the plane of the ecliptic. It is travelling towards us, so its light will be blue-shifted. Its orbit is retrograde.

5/ The periodic passage of this brown dwarf through our Solar System has been the cause of much of the anomalous properties of the other planets, as well as wreaking devastating environmental effects on Earth when appropriately aligned.

6/ Sitchin's "12th Planet theory" has ignored the last crossing of Nibiru, which occurred at the time of Christ. The New Testament may be part of the overall picture, and I provide some speculative ideas in this area.

7/ The presence of UFOs in our skies and around Earth, the pervasive governmental cover-up, the lack of clear progress in space exploration over the last 2 decades, all point to the presence of another intelligence in the inner Solar system. This may prove to be connected with the existence of the Sun’s Dark Sister.

8/ The brown dwarf opens up new avenues for those trying to understand the mysteries of the ancient Egyptians, including the Phoenix, and Osiris in the Duat myths.

Andy Lloyd
© 7th February 2000

For further information on this subject check out Andy Lloyds site :

www.darkstar1.co.uk/

It is a very interesting topic. ;D

[Bennu]

Multiple ancient civilisations have built groups of pyramids in the form of Orions belt, although they were significantly far apart. Even the practice of Mummification is evident in said civilisations.
A sign that a greater cultural influence was spread around the world. Such similarities are difficult to ignore. As far apart as egypt an south america, these similarities occur, the pyramids at Giza and the complex at the temple of the sun have remarkably similar layouts, and a mathematical precision that has baffled modern scientists. The layouts clearly relate to the positioning of orions belt as viewed from their position at the time of building. Amazing considering they were such "primitive" civilisations and were so far apart.
Somehow at some point these cultures must have had a common route source.

[Frink]

WITCHBOY said:

This data indicates the presence of a massive planet in the Oort Cloud, sedately circling the Sun at an even greater distance millions of years ago. I suggest that these two bodies are the same, and in my book I provide a physical mechanism to explain the transition between the circular and elliptical orbits, based upon the scientists' own research papers...

So Nibiru is Planet X. It is a sub-brown dwarf with an elliptical orbit of 3756 years which reaches perihelion during its passage through the band between Mars and Jupiter. Its orbit is inclined to the ecliptic by 30-40 degrees, a finding based upon the description of Nibiru’s journey through the heavens by the observing astronomers of Babylon. Their description also leads to the conclusion that the orbit is retrograde. Nibiru lies in the Southern skies.

The Sumerians counted the Sun as a “planet”, so it is consistent that Nibiru could also be a failed star. In fact, this would go a long way to explaining why they clumped stars and planets together, through their recognition that intermediaries exist in the form of brown dwarfs.

Hello, Witchboy. I haven't completely read this topic, but I've got the gist of it. There are a few troubling points in the above.

First of all, the Oort Cloud is generally believed to start about 30,000 A.U. from the sun (or 30,000 times the average earth-sun distance). Yet a portion of the above quote says very specifically that this planet (with a period of 3756 years) is in (or at least is at some point in its orbit) the Oort Cloud. If that orbital period is accurate, then such a body is, on average, about 241.63 A.U. from the sun (nowhere near the Oort Cloud and nowhere near the thousand times the earth-sun distance mentioned elsewhere ).

The mention of this brown dwarf's current motion being retrograde (meaning that, as seen from earth, it is opposite the sun) coupled with the statement that it is visible from the southern hemisphere (and inclined to the ecliptic at about 30°) gives a fairly good estimate of where to look for it.

I've lost my train of thought, so I'll finish up by saying that I consider the idea of some dark solar companion possible, but I think the particular body Nibiru considerably less likely to exist.

[CatBreath]

well as a tribute to the subject
crystalinks.com/nibiru.html
personally i dont like this site coz it mixes allota science with spirituality but here ya go

[Nemesis]

Don't we do the same..

[Nemesis]

ANNUNAKI
The 12th planet [Planet X], Nibiru (appears as a comet to onlookers of Earth), of our solar system does house a race of giant beings. Nibiru, unlike the other planets in our solar system, orbits not just our Sun, but another cold, non-bright star a distance away in our galaxy. Thus, it gains its 3,600 year orbit. The Annunaki are a race of giant humanoids (10 to 15 feet in height) operating in 3rd Density. They are considered giants in that they are large in comparison to Humans. There is also another race of beings on Nibiru, they are a reptilian race not in humanoid form. The reptilian inhabitants are operating in Service-Self, 4th Density. The reptilian race, however, does not interact with the Annunaki, besides the Annunaki only know of the reptilians through rumor, much like we don’t interact with the Sasquach on Earth because of quarantine. The Annunaki dress in attire that is reflective of the ancient Greek and Roman soldiers. They live a lifestyle similar to the ancient Romans and Greeks as well on Nibiru. The Annunaki do not sleep, this is because a rising and setting sun is not present on Nibiru. Their world is a water world. Their light source is very dim since they have an odd orbit. Their main light source is from deep within their planet from chemical reactions which scatter light amongst their clouds. One legacy the Annunaki left upon Earth is the remnant of nuclear warfare in the form of radiation. This radiation spans Arabia, Africa, and India, where it is scattered about. They did breed with early Humans, but since most died at childbirth due to incompatibilities, thus the stories of them creating the Human races is a fable. They were quarantined from Earth since they used us as slaves for mining and pleasure, this was a verdict by the Association of Worlds. The Annunaki also gave early man the impression that gold is a valuable metal and that all who are powerful should have it. This belief was passed down through generations of man to this day. To them, gold was meant for survival (the Ark of the Covenant, a communication device of theirs misinterpreted to be a Godly artifact, was made of gold). Although, to us, the humans, it was used as an early monetary unit and today, though not used as heavily in business, is still a symbol of wealth or power. This, the Annunaki gave to us due to their interference with our early cultures. The Annunaki can also be found currently mining within Mars’ moon, Phobos. The reason Earth craft trying to reach Phobos or traveling in the general vicinity of Phobos are destroyed is because they do not want to be discovered or interfered with by ‘nosy’ humans. One such case of a craft from Earth losing function by Phobos has been reported. The Annunaki use lasers to disable the ‘eye’ of the craft and due to close range, the crafts are usually destroyed by the laser through this process.

See also Alien Races in UFO's/aliens

[Chaos_Childe]

Seems a bit far fetched to me Nemesis

For a race that we do not even know for certain exisists we certainly know an awful lot about their society and culture...

[CatBreath]

lol yeah exactly...
so i remain skeptical....
more skeptical about the ppl there than the planet itself though

[Nemesis]

Lol me2.. i just found it on the net and i thought ah well since this is bout Nibiru... ;D