Slayers

[WitchBoy]

ok..this is not about vampires  

How do you go about fighting a Demon on the physical and spiritual plane???

does certain weapons effect them more than others like Iron?

And if a Demon has taken possesion of a human, and using it to fight, is it morally right to fight an innocent human? , even if the Demon has hold of it.

[Gaheris]

About the demon apearance in the " phycical " world, the Crytalise, take over a human body or have their own human body... then they can be killed by normal weapons... how ever if they know magics then maybe not, but if they can crytalise they can take any form they want, atleast how much energy they have to take the form.

But i need to talk to some people to get some stuff confermed.

Fighting in the Astral world... hmmm, cant tell. dont know now, i only know about some ways of protection yourself against such attacks while you are in the physical world.
GTG

Love light and peace,
-G

[Nemesis]

Just like Satan in End of Days ;D

[Teej]

I've always been interested in this stuff too.  I'd like to know how to fight them if anyone else knows any more information that would be great.


Teej

[PeaceInTheLight]

Well... I guess if you want the info, I'll talk to you directly. I have a site that I can set you up with for all that kinda stuff... if you'd like. Witchboy, if you want to know, just give a post... the WC has been down lately... but you have my e-mail addy...

A demon can be forced to take a physical form, but it takes a lot of effort and no demon can take a human without the consent of that human. Of course, consent can mean many things. Accepting images that are linked to them, with the knowledge that they are linked to them, can do it. Ouiji boards are a great example of a consent granting tool. breaking special seals on things... that's automatic consent...

that's the big deal with a demon, consent. You figure out what consent it got to do something, you can stop it... stuff like that.

[Gaheris]

Ouch! WK? you have a weird IP adress!!!
WK, i will work on your site as promised, how about i make the front door on this page? something like: www.para-united/white-cirle ?
Anyway if you want i have full control here and while i make the new site layout i can make your site layout at the same time... anyway, let me know

[WitchBoy]

thanks LK , im already a member of the circle

[PeaceInTheLight]

Would it be like a link over to the other page? would I still be able to direct people over to the main board? (I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression with 'para' but... I will accept your offer if I can still direct people to whitecircle.suddenlaunch.com. We can use the para-united page for our mission statement when I gather exactly what it is going to be from everyone.

And for some links... I like the idea, Gah...  ;D

P.S. I know that, WB...

[Teej]

Sounds cool.  I'd like to check it out pretty soon.


Teej

[Gaheris]

LK, you are free to post your links

[PeaceInTheLight]

Sorry I didn't post it sooner, but the site was down. If you try it the day this is posted, it will still be down. However, tomorrow is a better and brighter day. It should be up then.

whitecircle.suddenlaunch.com

You will not be able to see all the forums, I've got some that are member only. I need to make you a general member. Just put a post in the new members forum, and I'll get right on it.

[Teej]

Looks pretty sweet.  I haven't signed up yet, but I will soon.


Teej

[Bennu]

First things first. Forget all that Angel/Demon Heirarchy stuff in this section.

That is all pretty wrapping put round everything by people for religious practice.

The species and sub-species of such things cannot be so simply categorised, neither can their intents.

I disagree with the consent issue, many times these things need no consent to enter and control humans or other creatures. But that all depends on the species.

Determining the species you are faced with will help in discovering how to defeat or at least remove it. The most difficult thing is the fact that you cannot simply define one species as evil. They like us choose how they behave, so one occassion you may find an evil example the next 3 times they might good examples.

To take this activity on is a lifetimes work, i have spent many, many years learning and still have a long way to go. You need Physical training along with more supernatural fields. Magic is important. for binding/trapping forces, protection and as a weapon. Using what has been called the astral world here is also an important technique. You need to be strong in mind, body and soul.

As to your moral question about fighting posessed humans. I ask you this: Is it moral to leave them like that? Leave them under the control of a malevolent force? Is it wrong to defend yourself if such people attack you? You can only do your best to prevent harm to the individual and remove the force from within them.

To anyone thinking of trying such a venture, prepare long and hard! It is not an easy life to lead!

[PeaceInTheLight]

I strongly disagree, Bennu.

I've only been studying angels and daemons for the better part of five years, but in that time I have seen a general conformation to the heirarchy system. Its more like angellic jobs. They are all the same species, but act in different manners. There are beings that fall outside this structure, but they of a different species from angels.

The fall bound those angels that turned from the light, daemons, with certain restrictions. This included the issue of consent. A demon cannot do harm to a human being without the consent of that human being. The consent required can vary between the varieties of demon. I've seen dozens of cases of this so far and I've never seen an instance where a true demon harmed a human without some kind of consent.

This is not to say that there aren't spiritual beings that don't need consent. They just aren't daemons or demons. The thing is, most of them don't bother with human beings. The war between what we percieve as goodness and evil has placed us in the middle as the battlefield. Other beings don't have an issue with us, and would rather not incur the wrath of a guardian angel.

Lesser demons are 'created' by daemons with specific funtions in mind, sometimes it is less aparant than something like lust or hate... but they can be classified by this thing, called their 'vice.' Once you determine their vice, it becomes relatively easy to send them on their merry way back to the underworld.

I also disagree with the need of magic as a protective force. We are all afforded protection by a higher power who cares for us. One needs only to inquire of the light to recieve its blessing. Again, we are in the middle of a war, and though it has already been won, there is a battle left to be done.

I understand your position is aquired after many years of experience. However, we all see things a little differently.

btw... our terminologies may be somewhat deviant... but I'm sure you understand what I mean, lets not waste time arguing on what we humans call them...

Peace and Light to you

[Bennu]

In response, I have had 18 years of experience of hunting and studying these things this lifetime. My grandfather taught me a great deal, passing down generations of experience and wisdom.

In none of that time have I encountered the Hierarchy as stated by religious texts. As angellic jobs or otherwise. Some of the creatures I have encountered take on those roles for their own purpose, generally nefarious.

The consent thing is very very wrong, and it dangerous to think otherwise, i have seen complete innocents taken by such creatures at a moments notice, they did nothing to allow consent, they just happened to be nearby. The creatures i speak of are not Spirits or Lesser Servitors, i have studied those too and know the difference.

These creatures when on this plain of existence meddle with humans in order to further their own plans to gain power and other things. Their purpose is not determined by vices/sins but by simple or complex motives part of generally larger schemes. Creatures such as the Lesser Servitors may seem that simple but even they when studied more closely are more complex.

They are limited only by their own power or their access to outside powers, ley lines and other sources.

The war you speak of is certainly not won, in fact at the moment goodness is fighting a losing battle. There are far too few of us fighting the good fight. They don't fear the wrath of guardians, in fact a force local to me destroyed 2 guardians with relative ease.

It is true in some respect they don't bother with us, most of the time, but only in the sense of human matters. Humans are used as pawns all the time.

As for magic, it is one tool among many with which to fight. Turning to your light for blessings and such is merely a form of chanelling magic. I have looked to the light before and found only energy to be shaped and used as i choose. No higher power looking over me protecting me.

I know you hold strong beliefs, that is clear, but i ask you please to look deeper. Investigate more closely, for your sake and the sake of others. I have too many scars from fighting beside people blinded by faith. These things just aren't that simple.

I do not wish to offend you, but i have seen to many good people fall because they were ill-prepared to face what is out there. I merely ask you to open your mind to more than your current experience.

Stay Safe.